Reason 4 VS Ableton Live 7
So I get asked this question quite a bit from aspiring and starting programmers, ” what should I get, Reason or Live?” So I thought I might take a stab at addressing some of the pro’s and con’s of both as I see it. I by no means claim to be an expert, but through trial and error, I have determined what makes the most sense for me as a programmer and drummer.
Reason 4:
This is the latest installment of Reason, the wildly popular music creation software. The concept is that you have a virtual rack that you can then add different rack mounted instruments and effects units to create midi based music. If you have been around music for a while, and understand signal flow to some degree, the interface is somewhat intuitive. The scope of Reason is all encompassing from a music creation perspective, so not only can you use it to program beats, you can use it to create every instrument in the band. I programmed an entire record for someone using Reason, I did all the drums, bass and keys on the record using it. As a programmer from the drummer perspective, I like Reason because I think it comes with pretty decent stock sounds already that you can use for creating beats right out of the hat. Some of the sounds are individual instruments, and some are preset loops. I like the interface, and the usability of the program. Where it falls short to me is incorporating Reason as a live instrument on stage, meaning, actually playing the beats that you have created from the program during a live set. It seems like it was really created more as a creation software, not really a playing software.
Live 7:
This software hails from Germany, and was created out of the rave scene in Europe. DJ who were doing really long sets of playing beats needed some kind of software that would interact and be as flexible as turntables. So the concept is, there are 2 side to the program. One is the Clip page, which looks like a large grid where you can load many different audio clips into the program, and then through some pretty amazing algorithms, you can play those clips at any tempo at any time, and fire them off and have them come in on the next downbeat. Brilliant in my perspective. Second is the Arrange page which acts more like a conventional, linear recording software, like pro tools or logic. This is a feature that Reason does not offer. Live somes stock with quite a few, really good sounding plug ins, then they offer a ton of great combos, chains of plug ins that developers have created to really creep out and wack out your sounds. Live is the ultimate software for playing loops and sequences because of the design of the software. On the creation side of things, it does offer 3 instruments that come stock with the program. Between these 3 you can do drums sounds which do come with the program, and some synth stuff as well that allows you to do keys, and guitars. The creation side of things seems to be a little clunkier than Reason, but you can still get it done.
So here is my conclusion:
I use both…… maybe not what you wanted to hear. I actually use quite a few different programs to create, my theory, the more weapons in your arsenal, the better. But not matter what I use to create audio files with, I ALWAYS PLAY THEM WITH LIVE! That is the only program I trust to open on stage with me when I play because of how well it runs. It was designed specifically for that. So if you had to buy one program as someone who plans on using the software to create, and then play the audio as well in a live situation, I would vote for Live.
Again, I don’t claim to know everything about both of these programs, but these are my findings as a working programmer and drummer. I hope it helps in some form or fashion.



Thanks Elliot…
Great Resource!!
Elliot, as you probably know, I do not play any instruments and played with a demo version or Reason once. But I thought having two fellas from PC3 write on your blog first would be a nice touch here as well. And also just to give you a friendly hello from the beach.
Thanks man!! You offered up some great advice. I do plan on using them in a live setting and your words have totally swayed me to Ableton. But, don’t be surprised if I hit you up with some tips, hints and suggestions!
so are you going to feel bad that we are going to be in a house and invite you over for dinner before we ever get an invite from you?
i just enjoy giving you a hard time. Will you be at in franklin with us? H
Personally, I like using my state of the art Atari 520. Bumped up ti 1 MB of RAM, of course…
When I’m away from that, however, I like Reason 4 running as a ReWire plugin with Pro- Tools 7.4, along with other plugins like Xpand, Structure and Stylus RMX. Not all together live, however. Do your “bounce to disk” and create as few stable wave files as possible.
I’d be excited about Live, but it terrifies me. Our drummers have a tough enough time as it it finding the space bar…..
RG
I’m agree with you! I think for every musician in the world these combo is the MUST HAVE TO, I use both for producing but on stage I think Ableton Live is more than enough!!!
From concept to concert, Ableton Live 7 can get you there.
Since 2001, Ableton Live has been helping musicians achieve their dreams, from laying down the initial licks to the letting it all loose live. This is the 7th incarnation of the popular sequence software.
As with many other aspects of every day life, the art of creating, producing, and performing music has evolved to the point that computers are an integral part of the process. It is not uncommon now to see a laptop on stage during a performance whether you’re at a hip-hop, rock, or DJ-oriented show.
One of the ways Live 7 is an advantage to its users, especially in the live setting, is it’s two main views which allow you to do all your work within a single application. The Session View is essentially a musical scratch pad. You can work out new ideas and improvise in a free and easy environment. Each cell in the Session View grid can hold a recording, MIDI file, or any other musical idea, whether they’re recorded on the spot or dragged in from the browser. Then you can play your ideas in any order or any time you wish. The Arrangement View takes a more traditional, timeline-based approach to multitrack recording, MIDI sequencing, and other music production tasks. http://www.musicthingz.co.nz
It will record all your actions as you improvise in the Session View, allowing you to edit them whenever you like. Either view you use is simple and basic enough to make your tasks simple and efficient, which is especially useful during a live performance.
I think where Reason really soars is it’s stock instruments and sound library. They don’t skimp on quality at all. I find for me it is much more difficult to arrange songs than Ableton. Also the fact that you can’t use 3rd party plugins and softsynths in Reason is quite a downer. I use both programs as well, but I find myself using Ableton more exclusively, especially since version 7’s release! I will still use reason though because they have great effects and the subtractor is amazing. that’s my 2 cents..
I have a free video minicourse I’ve made on Ableton which are excerpts from my full 4 hour dvd. They are better quality than the youtube version. Just go to the link below and join the free mailing list and you’ll get a new video every couple days. feel free to email me if you have any questions, i’d be happy to help!
here’s the link:
http://www.musicsoftwaretraining.com/abletondvd
cheers,
Jason
innerstatejt@gmail.com
Hey - im new to the site - but have found it really useful. Been leading worship for a number of years and am wondering into ‘digital worship’ now. Any pointers for a tight budget - but wanting to get started w/ live - gear-wise?
Reason can be brought into live - right? So sounds/loops created in reason can transport & be used in live?
Tight Budget– here is what I say– invest in the full version of Ableton Live, and then run mono information out of channel 1, and then the click out of channel 2. Get a mini plug to mono 1/4 in cable, and then run that out of your headphone jack. I would say start there, and if you like the way it goes, you move later to a a firewire or USB audio device.
Reason can be used as a rewire device in live. That is, once you open ableton, you can use rewire program to make Reason a slave program to ableton.